Please share it with your friends on Facebook and Twitter. Terms and Conditions feels like it has milder recoil than a 308 Win. They are probably pretty close on recoil charts but the above make all the difference IMHO. A lot of small factors can impact the ballistics of a certain cartridge. Our calibers from .257-inch up to .338-inch have served us well for decades, but the .277-inch, 7mm, and .308-inch calibers have gotten the lion’s share of work from deer hunters. This will tell us is how hard the bullet is impacting the target. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 20 of 21 Posts. However, the .308 180 grain is a heavy bullet with a high muzzle velocity so you will feel it as well. I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Hunters can be fiercely loyal to the type of cartridge that they use when hunting. Recoil energy for 308 in an 8 pound rifle is 16-17lbs depending on load. The .308 caliber is the civilian version of the 7.62 x 51 NATO cartridge that was originally designed for the M14 used in Vietnam. Just seems to kick more than it should. Recoil pads make a big difference. In the real world, firearms chambered for less powerful cartridges are typically built lighter than firearms chambered for more powerful cartridges. However, the boosted speed and energy requires more powder and longer action, resulting in a heavyweight gun and higher recoil. We are heading out for him to try to git his first buck. Nosler provided the data used to compare the recoil of the cartridges (here and here). The… Now shoot on me. The .270 is a "necked down" version of the 30-06 cartridge. By using this site, you agree to the following: Privacy Policy https://press.hornady.com/assets/pcthumbs/tmp/1410994454-2017-Standard-Ballistics-Chart.pdf. And regardless of your choice, a good shot with either caliber is going to end in a successful hunt! Two rifles that are known to compete against each other. ​, Want to expand your knowledge on ammunition even more? However, the .308 180 grain is a heavy bullet with a high muzzle velocity so you will feel it as well. Lots of overlap depending. Recoil from a lighter .308 rifle will be a lot snappier than your slug gun, but not enough to make up for the difference in ft/lbs of recoil. I enjoy shooting bullet in the range of 170 to 220 grains travelling between 1800 to 2400 fps. . shot_out Member. Quite a few cartridges are produced with varying grain bullets, bullet material, shape, and powder loads. Went to ableammo.com and checked a few different models in .270 vs .308 and there was no difference in listed weight. With proper shooting technique and scope placement, you should never have to worry about scope eye with either cartridge. This round is a great combination between a flat trajectory and moderate recoil. You want to see an animal drop right now? No part of this publication may be sold, copied, distributed, reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, mechanical or digital, including photocopying and recording, or by any information storage and retrieval system, without permission in writing from Trek Warrior. So, in this section we will discuss some generalities. rifle in .270 generates 16.5 ft-lbs of recoil with a 130-grain load at 3,140 fps. © 2020 by Trek Warrior. What was the main appeal of the 7mm at the time? For this reason, it is considered a short action caliber. I think the .270 is loaded to higher cpu pressure so it seems to have a louder blast and slightly higher recoil, … To answer these questions, we are going to take a look at the origins of these calibers, briefly explain the various loads available, compare ballistics, and compare situations where each caliber might be more beneficial. More ammunition manufacturers produce the 308 vs 270 in America. It really does shoot flatter and longer than a 308 I have killed a lot of deer and all has been with a 270, Have to agree with you both I have hunted all my life with 270 and have made some awesome shots with it. We are going to look at Remington’s Core-Lokt .270 and .308 pointed soft point cartridges for comparison. Beware, you are in danger to pursuit an all around women and you would probably expire before to find her. So test the rifle, if its too much recoil, have a muzzle brake put on it. Perceived recoil, or what the shooter feels, is purely subjective. Go. Earnings Disclaimer It uses bullets from 100 to 150 grains, which can easily reach 2,900 and even 3000 frames per second. If we simply look at the average recoil energy generated by these two cartridges and given by the ballistic calculator software, we see that the .270 and .308 are very similar (Graph 1). All Rights Reserved. Hunters are very loyal to their particular cartridge. Increase the gun weight by, say, 25% and the recoil goes down by 25%. His arms did not fit my 270. Finally, we will compare the energy (Feet/Pound) of the bullets at several yard intervals. 1 of 2 Go to page. Both calibers can take down a deer. Regardless, a lot of us have multiple rifles or maybe we are shopping around for a new hunting rifle. Most people attest that .270 vs .30-06 favors the lighter round. The length measurement fluctuates based on bullet’s design. Let's compare two top quality deer hunting loads. I own my father’s 22 hornet brno and I shot extensively calibers from .22 lr to .458 winchester, but a 170 grains round bullet in 30-30 and .220 grain in 30-06 are a kind I like to shoot. The 7mm-08 Remington cartridge was introduced in the 1980s. While the debates are always between 30-06 and 270, we forget than prior these cartridges we had 8mm mauser and it’s neck down 7mm. However, time saw both these long-standing cartridges in the same arena and with a huge respective loyal user base. Nov 6, 2016 #1 Looking to make the cross from duck shooting to mammal hunting. My vote is the .270 Win. It has a long history of being the best and the rifles that shoot it are spectacular, in general. Now my .270's were Ruger 77's and a Remington 760 so they are heavier. Perhaps auto spell correct took over… Above that recoil becomes increasingly intrusive. The average 12 ga Foster slug packs a lot more punch on the shooter's end than almost any .308 load I've shot, to include 190 SMKs. While the .308 produces slightly more recoil energy (21.7ft.lb compared to 19.6ft.lb), it probably isn’t anything significant, especially to more experienced shooters. I have 2 270 Win rifles and 2 308 rifles. It is a much longer cartridge than the .308. We could honestly take any two calibers common to hunting and find hunters who will debate which of the two are the best cartridge until the day they die with neither party being swayed. What we mean by this is that the cartridge size is almost identical to the 30-06, but the bullet has a smaller diameter. It depends on the individual load and rifle. In 270 a Tikka Lite and a Rem 700, 308 a Rem 700 and a Sako Finnwolf. It's a very good question, and in this article we are going to show you the difference. First, we will take a look at the bullet drop rates for each caliber that have been zeroed in at 100 yards and then at 250 yards to get some short and long-range trajectory information. But, from this ballistic data, you have two calibers that behave very similar to one another. Let’s take a look at what makes them tick. She only shot it once a year with heavy hunting clothes on and it never bothered her. The .270 maintains a flatter trajectory over longer distances while the .308 can pack a punch within shorter ranges. I got my 11 year old the CVA 308 and he loves it. I've got my grandpa's old 30-06 that weighs a ton and still hits me hard enough that it's no fun for me to shoot. The longer you shoot, and the harder the rifle kicks, the more likely you are to flinch. You might want fix it, since I’m quite sure you are talking about “advocating” rather than stepping down from your throne. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. Then, use the process in this article to decide what caliber you need. This is a common question many hunters have, especially when considering a hunting rifle for younger hunters. Do not forget that rifle weight is a crucial factor in the recoil equation, inversely proportional to recoil. Affiliate Disclosure Most important is the fact that we are providing a method that you can use with any caliber that interests you. Where the .308's origin was for military purposes, the .270 started out as a hunting cartridge. I used to own a gun shop and would mount scopes and sight in rifle at my range behind the shop. This round was originally brought to be in the form of the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge, but Winchester commercially produced and sold it as the .308 Winchester. If you hunt for fun primary, choice a mild rifle you enjoy shooting and select the animal and the distance accordingly. Buying the best .270 Winchester rifle is more about deciding that you need a .270 Winchester than it is about picking a specific rifle. I replaced it with a Mark X Mauser in 300 Win Mag with a decent pad that doesn't hurt at all, although the actual recoil is higher. DMCA Policy A debate that comes up often is which one is better when comparing the 270 vs 308. I also have a tikka .243 & tikka .223 , and the Winchester 22.250 which is also being sold. Here is a comparison of it to the .308. The .308 commonly has a 150 to 180 grain range. Here are some of the more popular cartridges for the .270. What exactly are the differences between the two cartridges and how do you choose between the two for hunting? This sounds like a good approach to me, and Tikka makes a very nice rifle. LOL. You have the numbers now, but we will be a little clearer about what those numbers mean regarding your hunting strategy. Both of these calibers are going to have the stopping power to bring down just about any game you are hunting in North America besides maybe larger bears. All around rifle? Two of my personal guns were a 03 Springfield in 358 Norma and a light weight 30-06 carbine shooting 220's and neither were as bad as her 270. Shoot him in the ear hole. I ended up getting a Past shoulder pad to sight it in. Also, the effects of recoil are cumulative. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." The cheapest 3006 delivers more energy than the Best 308 May be. bullets to shoot through it. That means 30-30 class for the lighter and 30-06 class for heavier bullets. I'd rather shoot the 308. , I have a 300 Winchester magnum and a 270 Winchester I recently purchased the 270 Winchester and can’t wait to hunt with it when citing it and I notice it is very very accurate can someone laborate on that shooting a Winchester 130 grain PowerPoint bullet will this rifle also take elk and moose, Looking at the numbers on Hornady’s site, your numbers for the 270 don’t look right. Both calibers can deliver over a thousand pounds of pressure at 400 yards. When going after bigger game with shots within 250 yards, the .308 is a fantastic choice. The end of this Season 270 vs 308. This when I had both in Rem 700s. Many thanks for the great info, i’ll Now have 3 calibers with the 3 tikka’s that will suit my needs and if I get to the Northern Territory to hunt buffalo i’ll Buy a 9.3 x 62 Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. I suppose if you had two identical rifles with loads designed to produce equal recoil a blind test would have to come out as indistinguishable. With proper shooting technique and scope placement, you should never have to worry about scope eye with … Some might consider the .270 130 grain a bit too light for elk or moose, especially if you are taking shots over 400 yards. Reply. A .260 shooting a 140grn bullet with a .520 bc @ 2600 fps witha 200 yard 0 in a 10mph wind. Its only advantages in my book are ammo availability which again doesn't really bother me as I can get quality 270 right next to 308 at any outdoor store or even Walmart. We should start off by saying that it is pretty difficult to compare two different calibers side by side. Heavier bullets and increased powder are going to increase the amount of recoil. TrekWarrior.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. Recoil (sometimes called “kick”) is the rearward movement of the firearm when fired. That is to say,.270 Winchester bullets travel 3.5 times the speed of a 737 airplane at cruising speed, while.30-30 Winchester bullets travel 2.7 times that same speed. Next Last. The trend should remain consistent from cartridge to cartridge. I use only Barnes copper bullets, 130 and 140 grains for .270 and 150 and 165 grains for .308. I'm not fond of the 25-06 either for the same reason. yup. Another great deer cartridge is the .30-06. This stuff is great for plinking and it won't cost you an arm and a leg. Just look for high B.C. I had a Remington Model Seven in 308 with a Limbsaver pad on it that was more comfortable to shoot in a t-shirt than a M94 in 30/30. And that leads us back to our original question. feels like it has milder recoil than a 308 Win. Originally Posted by Pharmseller. Very helpful info, I have a tikka 65 and Brno 308 and have been deciding which to sell. Granted, recoil energy is highly relative; recoil force depends on grain weight and muzzle velocity as well as the weight of the rifle. The .308 is a heavier bullet than the .270 although there are several cartridges with .270 160 and 180 grain produced by other manufacturers. Remington’s parent case is actually .308 Winchester and its closely related .260 Remington is also based on a 308 cartridge. What we hope, is that by providing you with some background and numbers, you can look at your hunting situation and make an educated decision on which particular caliber will suit your hunting needs better. The.270 is a lot more pleasant to shoot both for less recoil and a lighter rifle. Forced to make a choice for and all around rifle between 30-30 and 30-06 range I will choice the 7mauser with it’s mild loads. All things being as equal as possible the 308 is probably lighter in recoil. Like someone said, you're burning quite a bit more powder in the 270. To my shoulder, the 270 has a sharper recoil than the 308, and a little more too. This results in 1-2 ft-lbs less free recoil in rifles of equal weight and stock design. doesn't take much recoil slapping you in the head to make it not worth it lol. Thread starter shot_out; Start date Nov 6, 2016; 1; 2; Next. We will compare several ballistic properties such as bullet drop, muzzle velocity, and energy (what is the force hitting your target). Amazon and the Amazon logo are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. Recoil energy for 270 WSM in an 8 pound rifle is 19 lbs, much less load variability. We will also look at two different grains (bullet weight) for each caliber. We are not advocating for one or the other, but wanted to provide the specs and discuss the differences between the two. In wind deflection, recoil, cycling speed, and potentially compact rifle size (short action,) the Creedmoor comes out on top.If you own an accurate, beloved 270 Winchester, you don't need to replace it with a 6.5 Creedmoor. When both are shooting a 150gr bullet in factory ammo, the .308 produces slightly less velocity with a bit less powder due to its smaller case. I had a rather light Savage 110 .308 with an aluminum buttplate and it kicked worse than my .270's. Having said that, I've fired all of those and can hardly tell the difference. I also prefer iron and peep sight. .270 WSM vs .308 or .300WMS. The .270 was produced by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company in 1925. So, we will compare the .207 and .308 in different hunting scenarios. .270 Winchester VS .308 Winchester. We will refer to the ballistics information. That being said, the overall trends should remain relatively the same between calibers and grains. This is a hard question. Now concerning recoil, you should be aware of the bullet size and the amount of powder in the cartridge. As far as recoil of 270 vs 308 win, in my experience the 270 has a touch more.. For exa… Why would anyone want a 308? Here are some numbers to consider. My mind is now made up as I will sell the Brno 308. Originally Posted by raybass. According to this they're so close you wouldn't know the difference : I have to go with stock design/fit/recoil pad. Of course, as we all know, you cannot just willingly swap out any caliber for your rifle as they are chambered to hold certain cartridges. To reiterate, we are only looking at Remington’s Core-Lokt ammunition. Basically, Remington intended the caliber to be able to provide lesser recoil than a .308 while still being large and powerful enough to kill wild North American game effectively at long distances. If you need the maximum stopping power, the .308, especially the 180 grain, has a bit more energy once reaching the target than the .270, especially the 150 grain. I had a .270 in a Rem 700 adl with a checkered aluminum butt plate that hurt my shoulder and left a bruise on my cheek bone after just a few shots. Having said that, I've fired all of those and can hardly tell the difference. Here are some of the more popular cartridges for the .308. IMO they are all pussycats, the most mild mannered being the Sako primarily because it weighs the most. You can bet that the .308 will never be out of stock. The modern day .270 cartridge is usually around 3.3 inches long. I no longer have a .308 so my memory is not very fresh, mine was a Ruger ultra light with a pencil thin barel and the recoil was rather sharp for a short round, and my brothers Savage M99 .308 kicks! MEL . If you dive into the historical developments of the 6.5 Creedmoor round vs the 7mm-08, you will notice how the cartridges are somehow related to .308 Winchester. Check out my articles on ACP as well as rimfire to learn more.​. Specifically, with the .270 vs .308, we see two calibers that perform quite similarly in the categories we have addressed. The .270 Win rounds all produce recoil energy over 17ft.lb while none of the .243 Win rounds reach over 12ft.lb. So, we are going to try to standardize this as much as possible by only looking at the properties of the .270 and .308 produced by the same ammunitions manufacturer. More powder and heavier bullets are going to lead to more recoil. I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. We’ll start with the .308 Winchester. This is especially true for the .308 vs .270. Legal Disclaimer. The.30-06 has more propellant so it generates more recoil while it's often in a heavier gunstock (which absorbs more of the recoil by mass, weight, and cellular composition of the wood sometimes.) Regardless, neither caliber will fly out of your hands. All these can change the ballistic numbers. Since the .308 Winchester is essentially a scaled down .30-06, with the exception of recoil (which we’ll get to in a minute) the .270 Winchester has the same advantages over the .308 as it does over the .30-06. With .308 and the .30-06, you have access to military surplus ammo. I do not hunt any longer and shoot mostly mil surp ammo at the range. Regardless, neither caliber will fly out of your hands. But between the .270 Winchester and the .280 Remington, which offers the best performance for the hunter? 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